GCC Meeting Minutes
Nov. 13, 2008
2nd Floor Meeting Room
Attendance: Carl Shreder, John Bell, Paul Nelson, Tom Howland, Charles Waters, John Lopez, Mike Birmingham, Steve Przyjemski, and Sharon Munro.
Signing:
- Bills
MOTION to pay bills. John B. / Mike B. all/unam
MOTION to pay additional bills. John B. / Tom H. all/unam
- Littles Hill S.C. Management Plan
MOTION sign Littles Hill S.C.M.P. Paul/Tom all/unam
- DOA for Brook Street (Culvert)
- DOA for Lake Street & Old Jacobs Road (Roadway)
- Extension Permit for 1 Littles Hill Lane (Lot 6)
Approval:
- Meeting minutes for 10/30, 9/18, 9/04 and 8/21.
2 Abbey Road
Ben Osgood in attendance
Ben Osgood, Rep. – They have an existing house with an existing septic system under the driveway. (1.10 acres) We took a look at the site to be were we could put the septic system. The areas shaded on the plan. One behind the house with exposed bedrock. The front of the house has a significant drop off. We have issues with the slope. We are not really supposed to put septic under a driveway.
Carl Shreder, GCC – Is this a traditional system?
Ben Osgood, Rep. – Yes, but it does have an infiltration system.
Mike Birmingham, GCC – Is there any reason you couldn’t move further from the buffer.
Ben Osgood, Rep. – The issue is the slope on this one. We end up grading quite a bit.
Carl Shreder, GCC – So, you have to cut down trees anyway.
Ben Osgood, Rep. – We will have to cut some trees. The access will not require any tree cutting.
Steve Przyjemski, Agent – So, you would have to terrace or put in a retaining wall?
Ben Osgood, Rep. – Yes, or a long slope were you would actually be getting deeper.
Carl Shreder, GCC – Have you filed with BOH, yet?
Ben Osgood, Rep. – Yes, we have filed with them.
Paul Nelson, GCC – It appears that this system is quite a bit larger.
Ben Osgood, Rep. – It is. The other was a very old system.
Paul Nelson, GCC – Could you put in a Presby system with less grading?
Carl Shreder, GCC – What size is this for?
Ben Osgood, Rep. – This is a nine room house so we have to design it as a 4 bedroom under title five regulations.
Carl Shreder, GCC – Has there been any comment from the DEP?
Steve Przyjemski, Agent – No, no comment.
Carl Shreder, GCC – If there is an easy way to move it then I think it would be a good idea but, if there is no where to move this then I guess we will try to work with this.
Ben Osgood, Rep. – We could try to pitch this and have it wrap it around but again it will be an issue with the slope again.
Paul Nelson, GCC – Why can’t you move it here were the stone fence is?
Ben Osgood, Rep. – To have an offset to the water table then I will run into a problem there.
Paul Nelson, GCC – If the system under swung the driveway a little bit…
Ben Osgood, Rep. – There may be a little bit of a drop off there. I have no problem going out for a site walk so you can see the area I am working with and how it posses a problem. …more would be cut down as you cut the slope longer.
Carl Shreder, GCC – Does the com want Steve to go out there to look at it?
Paul Nelson, GCC – Yes, and Steve please take pictures if you need to.
Steve Przyjemski, Agent – Okay. Now, in looking at the grade what do you want me to verify.
Charles Waters, GCC – I would like you to report back to us on the grade out there.
Carl Shreder, GCC – What caliber of trees is going to be cut?
Ben Osgood, Rep. – A number of small caliber trees will come down up here apposed to down the hill.
Paul Nelson, GCC – The trees are one consideration but trying to get this away from the buffer is prime.
Charles Waters, GCC – Should we do a site walk this Saturday morning?
Steve Przyjemski, Agent – I can’t make it.
Carl Shreder, GCC – I think it is still acceptable for Steve to go out to take a look at it.
Ben Osgood, Rep. – I am available so, give me a call.
MOTION to have Steve go out and look at the property and to look at the gray areas on the map. Also, to continue the hearing to Dec. 18th at 7:15pm. Charles/Tom all/unam
Town of Georgetown Wetland Protection Regulations
Carl Shreder, GCC – We are here to look at our regulations.
Paul Nelson, GCC – So, looking at this without the consideration of the Horsley Witten study.
Carl Shreder, GCC – I believe the public was questioning our regulations and our bylaw so, we are opening this up for discussion.
Steve Przyjemski, Agent – I have two comments from the public. One is from Bob Morehouse and the other is from George Comisky. I felt that there were some good points in Mr. Morehouse’s comments/concerns. One, would be the agricultural issues.
George Comisky, Resident – I went through the regulations and I found that a lot of the applicants find that Georgetown is more stringent. I believe that the watershed should be referenced in the regulations/bylaw with studies showing that Georgetown does have a water shortage. There are studies to show it.
Charles Waters, GCC – I think it should be acknowledged but I don’t think we could include this type of subject which is more general apposed to studies.
Steve Przyjemski, Agent – Maybe we can add this to the bylaw as a narrative.
Carl Shreder, GCC – Prior to the regulations there were no setbacks. It was guess work and it took some time to iron out the setbacks.
George Comisky, Resident – Two points I have is the stress data could refute the arguments and we could include them in the bylaw to be definitive.
Charles Waters, GCC – So, I guess what George Comisky is saying is that we can state that the stress on the Parker River Basin data could be a good narrative. Namely, pointing out the unique characteristics of Georgetown.
Steve Przyjemski, Agent – We should focus on the regulations and consider the bylaw at a later date.
Charles Waters, GCC – We really don’t have anything for mitigation. We need something that defines what mitigation is and how this can be carried out by the commission.
Charles Waters, GCC – We need to look at what makes accepting money for waivers but this being arbitrary and capricious. To look at rather or not this is arbitrary and capricious.
George Comisky, Resident – I think if you don’t accept the money but the finance for mitigation (improvements) more could be accomplished.
Charles Waters, GCC – Delineations should remain the same.
Paul Nelson, GCC – I think we need a method of working through this document.
Carl Shreder, GCC – We should all go through the document and we can bring them together at the next meeting.
Charles Waters, GCC – I think we should look at the 53G statute. It seems to be bizarre and what is the standard? I will circulate my comments.
Charles Waters, GCC – I would like to reference what George C. has suggested.
MOTION to continue the hearing to Jan. 22, 2009 @ 7:30pm. Mike/Paul all/unam
47 West Street
Steve Przyjemski, Agent – The applicant is trying to risk this away. The DEP is going to be fining them.
Carl Shreder, GCC – It looks like we are going to have to fine them at this point.
Steve Przyjemski, Agent – We have an unpaid bill for the 3rd party review. I will draft an EO and we need the money for the bill and pot of 5k for future bills.
Carl Shreder, GCC – We can fine for him not paying.
Steve Przyjemski, Agent – I will request what is owed only, for now. The site is relatively stable at the moment.
MOTION to continue hearing to Jan. 22, 2009 @ 8:00pm and 8:05pm. Tom/John B. all/unam
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