TOWN OF OLD SAYBROOK
Old Saybrook Police Services Facility Study/Building Committee
302 Main Street • Old Saybrook, Connecticut 06475-2384
Telephone (860) 395-3123 • FAX (860) 395-3125
SPECIAL MEETING Monday, October 17, 2011
1. Call to order
Chairman Dan Moran called the special meeting of the Police Building Committee to order at 5:30 p.m.
2. Roll Call
Dan Moran, Chairman
David LaMay
Raymond Muratori
William Peace
Andrew Natale
David Wight
Michael Spera, Police Chief, Ex-officio member
Raymond Giolitto, Architect
Richard Lawrence, The Lawrence Associates
Kenneth Anderson, The Lawrence Associates
Approximately 7 members of the public
3. Report Review with the Lawrence Associates
Richard Lawrence introduced Kenneth Anderson. They walked through the building for an hour and they were able to review the original drawings for the construction of the building as the preliminary step in the process.
Mr. Anderson described a 1974 built concrete/masonry building with minimal pitch to the roof drains. He reported that the building is in fairly good condition (not including the mold etc from the flooding). If used as built, (after cleaning the flood conditions), the building would last another 40 years. In this case if a second floor was added it would change the wind characteristics and the mass of the building (heavier, lateral pressure, seismic issues, etc). In adding a second floor short falls show up
immediately. For example the second floor would necessitate building separate
individual interior footings, shoring up the walls with new steel and masonry
improvements, and reinforcing columns would need to be added. If you look at how much has to be done rebuilding the current structure it would be more expensive than building new. It is under reinforced to handle additional loads. Reinforcement would be costly. The walls would need to be reinforced with steel (lateral and vertical). A rough estimate is this work would add 10-15% to the construction costs and an increased contingency budget
In response to a question by Bill Peace KenAnderson replied that an addition added to the existing building would be structurally independent. If a new roof with pitch was added to the existing building you adding more than 5% which would trigger additional code and more importantly structural requirements.
Rick Lawrence began the architectural piece of the report. The original building just doesn’t function. He believes using this building would be wasting energy.
Dan Moran asked if there were any comments that need to be added to the draft
report.
Rick Lawrence stated that they will make a note that rebuilding the existing building would not be the best financial choice. (There is no way to really incorporate dollars because the new floor plan has not been developed.)
Ray Giolitto asked if a paragraph could be included about adding an addition and the necessary work the older building would still need.
Rick Lawrence suggested adding a paragraph referencing the Jacobsen report and Welti reports noting the site conditions.
Motion- Dan Moran moved that the Committee accept the draft Lawrence Associates report with the proposed modifications and acknowledges that the most efficient and fiscally responsible direction for the Town is new construction rather than modification of the existing building David Wight seconded
6-0-0 motion passed unanimously
4. Report Review provided by Raymond Giolitto
Geoffrey Jacobsen Report
A soil boring report by Clarence Welti & Associates
Ray Giolitto reviewed the Jacobsen report. The existing drawings do not indicate whether any drainage was added. The sump pump has a small pipe. The report is inconclusive as to the cause of the flooding. If you look at Jacobsen’s report in
conjunction with the Welti report (item 2.1 in the Welti report) that there were many contributing factors to the flooding. The assumption is that the drain at the bottom of the exterior stairs leads directly into a dry well on the site. When it reaches capacity, it is believed it backs up and floods into the basement under the exterior door
leading from the stairwell. When the inverts drain during a huge surge, the ground water level increases making it difficult for the sump pump(s) to eliminate sufficient water to keep the basement dry. There is no indication that the basement has or was ever waterproofed. There are numerous variables in this building that could have made that basement flood. Ray Giolitto does not really believe it is worth spending more money to try and determine the exact cause of the flooding, when there are so many variables.
Ray Giolitto believes the next issue is does a new building have a basement.
Referencing Welti’s report, he believes the town would need to waterproof the
basement; and to have 15-22 inch slab. Ray asks the question ; what is the cost involved and what type of space are you getting?
A special meeting will be scheduled for next Monday the 24th if the Lawrence
Associates final report is complete. The intent of the building is a quick final review of that report and the drafting of a report to the First Selectman which is due by the end of October.
4. Public Comment – none
5. Adjournment
Motion - Andrew Natale moved to adjourn at 7:00 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Ruth Hockert, Clerk
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