TOWN OF OLD SAYBROOK
Harbor Management Commission
302 Main Street • Old Saybrook, Connecticut 06475-1741
Telephone (860) 395-3123 • FAX (860) 395-3125
1. Call to Order
Chairman Ray Collins called the Special meeting of the Harbor Management
Commission to order at 7:00 p.m.
2. Roll Call
Ray Collins, Chairman
Les Bowman, Secretary
David Cole
George Wall
Dick Goduti
Scott Mitchell, Dock Master
Ruth Hockert, Clerk
Selectman Carol Manning
Keith Nielson, DOCKO, Inc.
3. Ferry Dock, DOCKO report
Keith Nielson began his presentation by saying that David Freed was unable to attend but he was here to address the Ferry Dock project.
A drawing was submitted which showed two approaches
Both would use steel sheeting- similar but different approaches
Option - $2500 a sheet bid by contractor doing work waterside
Option – start at east end work to west taking care of the north and south faces at the same time, economizing factor, more linear feet per dollar. Keith spoke to a couple of marine contractors, $ 2-2500 doing from land $ 1200 to 1500 per foot if done landside. He inquired from the contractors about what kind of limitations; i.e. largest sheet of sheet pile could be 16 feet that would limit dredging in the future. Heavy vehicles
doing the work could destabilize the work site; he suggests starting on the inside and work outward.
Keith said concern about whether the project could go forward has been expressed. . Based on what he has found out by talking with contractors and the DEEP, he
believes there is enough information to move forward on the project. The proposed “orange” line project gives stability to whole project. He explained that previously disc used concrete blocks have inherent weaknesses because they are made with
leftovers from trucks which may have been watered down. The mixes from the
leftovers can be very different based on whether they come from a home project or a commercial project. Sometimes you cannot see flaws until it is too late.
Larry Bonan said there are companies that will allow the customer to specify the
concrete mix in the order.
There was a brief preview of sheet pile dimensions and strength.
PZ 25-
PZ 27 – less profile 3/8”
PZ 22
PZ 35 two flutes
Land based contractor may use smaller grade sheets to keep costs down.
Larry Bonan stated he believed that there should be a guardrail system to prevent anyone from driving off into the river.
Ray Collins asked about dredging after doing the stabilization work. He would like to go 6 feet. Keith Nielson said as a rule of thumb if he dredges more than 3 feet he stays 10 feet from bulkhead. He also said dredging would have to be box cut.
Dick Goduti asked a number of questions. Keith Nielson felt that some questions could not be answered without additional core samples.
David Cole stated that the southeast corner never goes under water and he thought that would be a good benchmark.
Dick Goduti asked about rip rapping the northwest side and moving the sheet pile to the southeast side. Keith Nielson said riprap can be used wherever you do not
anticipate boats. Using stone you do not need ties. Keith noted that during Hurricane Irene it was observed that waves went right over ramped slopes. Any northeaster would come and run up the slope of the rip rap whereas a bulkhead would stop waves.
Keith Nielson noted that DEEP would have to approve this rip rap approach and
coverage is a big issue to DEEP and they would require a lot of additional testing. In addition the current permit can probably get an extension as is whereas a riprap
approach would require an entirely new permit.
Selectman Manning asked what kind of material would be used to elevate the level of the driveway. There was a discussion of millings. Keith Nielson said there is an
advantage of millings. They do not pack evenly and they can be re-graded and moved around; they are highly porous so no storm drain system needed, and look half-way decent when put down. Ms. Manning asked who much work will it take to get the project to DEEP he said it would take a couple of weeks to get to DEEP the
necessary paperwork and then 90 days for DEEP to respond. If attention is spent on doing permitting it could cut the time in half.
Keith Nielson believes he could get the U.S. Army Corp extended.
Consensus of the Commission is they would like work done by shad fishing season but it is understood that there will need to be understanding by the fisherman that the work needs to be done.
Keith Nielson’s feeling is to take the permit the Commission already has and do as much sheet pile as you can and get as much done as you can for the existing
dollars. Using rip rap would mean all new permits. Keith feels getting a precise
engineered design that would take care of the high priority first is an important step.
A question was asked if sheeting was put in would a header put in to attach docks to. Keith Nielson felt that an exposed top of sheet pile is an injury waiting to happen after
a few years, so a top should be added and it would be designed so docks could be attached. The proposal should be to get 18 inches to 2 feet above existing dock to deal with the higher river.
Les Bowman asked what the next step going forward should be. Keith Nielson said engaging GNCB is the next step as he works for them and the engineering design is important. Les says we should talk about moving forward and think about the
engagement of GNCB and what steps to get going.
Summary notes:
Option 1 is the preferred plan
PZ 27 is the sheet at the end and PZ 22 on the side
David Freed will put together the engineering design.
Les Bowman asked that the GNCB put a proposal together and get it to the Commission for approval.
When a proposal from GNCB is received (probably next week) a special meeting will be scheduled
4. North Cove Mooring Removal Bid proposal
CT River Dock & Dredge submitted a proposal for $ 4,000. Scott Mitchell notes that this is only $ 100 more than last year and the contractor will do the work waterside. A copy of their certificate of insurance was attached to the bid.
Motion - Les Bowman moved to accept the bid from CT River Dock and Dredge,
George Wall seconded
5-0-0 motion approved unanimously
5. North Cove 50% attendance
Scott Mitchell reviewed the attendance form with the Commission. Lane and Embee were the two that did not meet the 50%. Lane has already verbally confirmed that he was giving up the mooring.
Dick Goduti would like to address the use of the moorings for vessel storage instead of as a mooring for use of the vessel. He knows it is not on tonight’s agenda but
wishes to discuss it as part of the North Cove policies.
Motion – Dick Goduti moved to send a letter not to offer renewal application to Embee for failure to meet the 50% rule as Lane has already given up his mooring; Les Bowman seconded
5-0-0 motion approved unanimously
6. DRS Invoice
The Department of Revenue Services has notified the Commission that as of October 1, 2011 the Sales Tax Report previously submitted quarterly will now have to be submitted month. The current invoice will pay the quarter ending September 30 and the October 30th invoice. Once these are paid the month invoices can be approved at regular meetings and be received at DRS in at timely fashion. Also the sales tax to be collected as of July 1 is 6.35%.
Motion - Les Bowman moved to pay the DRS invoice, George Wall seconded;
5-0-0 motion approved unanimously
7. Adjournment
Motion – Les Bowman moved to adjourn at 8:10 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Ruth Hockert
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