ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS
MONDAY, DECEMBER 29, 2003
Members Present: Ms. Marteney, Mr. Darrow, Ms. Brower, Mr. Westlake, Ms. Aubin, Mr. Rejman
One Vacancy
Staff Present: Ms. Hussey, Mr. Hicks, Mrs. Hoffmann
APPLICATION APPROVED: 45 South Hunter
APPLICATIONS TABLED: 92 Fitch Avenue , 280-284 Seymour Street
Mr. Rejman: Good evening, this is the Zoning Board of Appeals. Tonight we have on Agenda: 45 South Hunter Avenue, 92 Fitch Avenue, 280-284 Seymour Street
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45 South Hunter Avenue, R-1, Area variance of 90 square feet for garage to be larger than the 750 allowed by the Zoning Code. Dennis and Lisa Marr.
Mr. Rejman: 45 South Hunter Avenue, are you here? Come forward please. State your name for the record, please.
Mrs. Marr: Lisa Marr. I husband Dennis couldn’t be here tonight so I am presenting our case.
Mr. Rejman: OK. Tell us what you want to do there?
Mrs. Marr: We are adding an addition to our home which is under construction and we are adding a two car garage and we are 90 square feet above what Code will allow. The reason for that is we want more storage. We have been married six years and we have a two year old and all storage that we can gain would be greatly appreciated. We would like to add the additional square feet that will be allowed. We have spoken to our neighbors and they think it is fabulous what we are doing to the property. It is in keeping in style of the home the garage that we want to add. Michael Palmeri is our architect. He drew it in scale and proportion with our home and we would just like to add some space.
Mr. Rejman: You did submit some nice drawings for us to look at.
Mrs. Marr: We tried.
Mr. Rejman: That is always helpful.
Mrs. Marr: Also it was pointed out to me that the extra space will be for my husband since that will be his space.
Ms. Marteney: He should be here.
Mrs. Marr: He is out of town. That is his area.
Mr. Rejman: Questions from the board?
Mr. Darrow: Yes, on the creek, if I am facing the front of your house, that is on the left side, correct?
Mrs. Marr: Correct, on the left side. The back of the house backs up to Dickman Farms. There is no neighbor until you get to South Marvine.
Mr. Darrow: Your closest neighbor would be Franceschelli or Mentillo?
Mrs. Marr: Right, we are right in the middle. We love the house, we just need more space.
Ms. Marteney: You are certainly getting it with that addition.
Mrs. Marr: That is the plan. I grew up in that area and this is where we want to raise our family, that is why we are there. I spoke with all of our neighbors surrounding us except I couldn’t contact the Franceschellis. Every body loves what we are doing, verbally no one objected to what we are doing, hopefully you won’t either.
Mr. Rejman: Let me ask this for the record then, any one here wishing to speak for or against the application? Hearing none, we will come back to the board. Fairly generic request. Any more questions from the board? No?
Ms. Marteney: From the front you won’t see the addition on the back infringing on the whole house.
Mrs. Marr: It was built in 1815 so we are trying to make it work, we are re-siding the house, the single shakes, like what is on the house now. We are having a new roof put on, we are replacing all the windows with proper windows on the existing home as well as the addition. It will be a whole new house when we are done.
Mr. Rejman: Sounds like the movie “Money Pit”.
Mrs. Marr: No. (Every one laughs)
Mr. Rejman: OK, we will close the public portion. Thank you very much.
Mr. Darrow: Seems clear, precise, good plan.
Mr. Rejman: In proportion
Mr. Darrow: No doubt in my mind what is going to transpire there.
Ms. Marteney: It looks like, is it 26 feet to the property line to the north, plenty of room.
Mr. Rejman: Plenty of room there.
Mr. Darrow: Met all the criteria except the 90 square foot.
Mr. Rejman: And the motion would be?
Mr. Darrow: I would like to make a motion that we grant Dennis and Lisa Marr of 45 South Hunter Avenue a 90 square foot area variance for the purpose of constructing an addition including a attached garage as per submitted plans.
Mr. Westlake: I second that motion.
VOTING IN FAVOR: Ms. Marteney, Mr. Darrow, Mrs. Brower, Mr. Westlake, Ms. Aubin, Mr. Rejman
Mr. Rejman: Application has been approved.
Mrs. Marr: Thank you very much. We appreciate that.
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92 Fitch Avenue, R-1A, use variance for three units. Rodney Major.
Mr. Rejman: 92 Fitch Avenue, are you here? Yes. I think before it was tabled because there were only four of us here I believe.
Mr. Major: Wanted some dimensions.
Mr. Rejman: Wanted some dimensions, any thing else?
Ms. Marteney: Better drawings
Mr. Rejman: Better drawings. You might want to touch on some things starting right from the beginning again.
Mr. Major: Good evening, my name is Rodney Major. I live at 61 Chapman Avenue, Auburn, New York. I am the owner of 92 Fitch Avenue. I bought this property one year ago today. I bought it for back taxes. It was condemned to a single home after two years. It has always been a three apartment house. My intention was that I really wanted the property because the land runs behind my house and hopefully one of these days when I get enough money I can start a ministry in that area on all the property that I own between Fitch and Chapman Avenues.
Right now financially it is not, I can’t do exactly what I wanted to do to the place. It has always been a three apartment house. As you look at the drawings it is brick and then later on the guy must have added an addition, which is the wooden part. Nothing really connects together except for the basement. You can get to every apartment through the basement, that is the only thing that really connects the apartments together. I don’t have the money to convert the apartments together. I have to break down a lot of bearing walls, open it up and reconfigure the whole layout of the apartments.
If you look at the drawings that I did, on the west side apartment 1 and 2 is more like a rectangular and basically as you walk in, it is a living room, dining room, kitchen and bathroom and up there are two bedrooms. Going upstairs is the same lay out, the only thing different is the stairs don’t really turn into the apartment downstairs, it is like front door, front door, you just walk in straight up. The apartment on the east side that has an upstairs and a downstairs and the upstairs apartment you walk up the stairs you have a landing, bedroom over here, if you walk up three more steps, you have a bedroom there and those bedrooms do not connect at all to the upstairs apartment or downstairs no room to connect the apartments.
Basically I brought the diagram, if you have any questions, please ask. I have room for parking. I think there is a diagram for the parking, so there will be off street parking, parking for six parking spaces.
Mr. Rejman: Any questions from the board? Did you have a chance to have a contractor look at this?
Mr. Major: I have a friend who is a contractor but he, like he said, he didn’t give me a ball park figure because I mean like I said if you look at apartment 1 and 2 on west side this is just a rectangular brick and every thing is plaster and old stuff. I just know that I couldn’t to reconfigure, new stair case, just really gut the whole upstairs to refigure the bedrooms and kitchens and stuff like that, I just know, I didn’t have the money to really pay an architect or contractor to come, it would cost me money to do that, I just didn’t have that money.
Mr. Darrow: What you are saying apartment 1 all four walls are brick masonry walls?
Mr. Major: Yes.
Mr. Darrow: Within itself?
Mr. Major: Yes. That is brick and on the east side the apartment sits back and that is like a wooden
Mr. Darrow: The brick was the original, the wooden structure is an addition to the brick and then they put two apartments in the wooden structure
Mr. Major: The brick structure has two.
Mr. Darrow: OK, the brick has one up and one down.
Mr. Major: Yes. And what happens say this is the door for apartment 1, this is the door for apartment 2, both doors are really right together. You don’t have a big landing, as soon as you walk in you are walking up the stairs. I am not sure how that ever how the stair case ran into because you only have a four foot landing when you walk up to the porch and walk up the stairs. There are some back stairs going down but as I recall those back stairs go into the first floor apartment they just go down to the basement and then three different stairs, you know.
Mr. Darrow: Mr. Chairman, I just have a couple of concerns. (A) I don’t have the original application with me and another copy wasn’t put in our packet this month and (B) I don’t know if in that was a short form SEQRA which is required for use variance.
Ms. Hussey: At the last meeting when the application was tabled, the Zoning Board approved, it made a motion for a Negative Declaration.
Mr. Darrow: OK, I don’t remember.
Ms. Marteney: It was in October.
Mr. Westlake: Let’s do a SEQRA, it is in here.
Mr. Darrow: Oh, it is in the minutes, ok.
Mr. Rejman: When you bought this from the City, did they have any thing in writing that said that this is a legal two family?
Mr. Major: No, when I purchased from the City it was converted back to a single home because it was condemned for two years, it goes to its original status. It was built in 1890 as a single home. That is why it went back to a single home.
Mr. Rejman: So you knew you had a single home?
Mr. Major: Yes.
Mr. Rejman: And you were hoping you could put it into a two family.
Mr. Major: Well, my dream was, it came with 1.6 acres of land. It sort of buts up to my property on Chapman Avenue, back yard to back yard with a couple City lots there in between. My intention was to start a ministry and it is still my plan to start a ministry between either the house on Chapman or the house on Fitch and my dream is still to do that. I thought I had more money that expected and I thought I could go to the bank because there was no mortgage on the house, but I can’t do that. I own two houses with two home equity loans on it and I am mortgaged out.
Mr. Rejman: I think last year you came before us and we granted you a variance for a two family.
Mr. Major: Yes, that was back in May.
Mr. Rejman: Now you are back looking for three family.
Mr. Major: The only reason why because it just makes sense because it is too hard to convert two units into one unit. I have talked with a neighbor, if I could if I had the money to convert the two units into one, it would be like a five bedroom house. The lady on the east side of me she is a elderly lady and she doesn’t want a big family to come in so after talking to them a bedroom would be more conducive for all of us. There couldn’t be more than three people in an apartment at one time, a husband and wife with a child, or a single mom or dad with a child.
Mr. Rejman: I think some of the concerns that I see in the eyes of the board are we really have to have some sort of economic figure to help us make our decision or that contractor on his letterhead saying it will cost XXX number of dollars to do this project, that would be a hardship. We are looking for a hardship here and to be honest in my eyes I don’t see one. Anyone else see one? It is not that we don’t want to help but sometimes the law prohibits us from doing that, there are certain things that we need to have before us.
Mr. Darrow: Perhaps he should table it and get with maybe some body from Code Enforcement to let him know what the criteria is for hardship so that we can have proper reference and figures.
Mr. Rejman: Just a thought, thinking out loud here. If Codes was willing and they went down and looked at it, could we take their opinion as to whether or not it would be economically feasible to convert this back.
Mr. Darrow: I personally wouldn’t have a problem with their opinion.
Ms. Marteney: Weren’t you going down to look at after the last meeting?
Mr. Hicks: Told him what we were looking for regarding parking requirements.
Mr. Rejman: There are three things that we need to consider. We need to consider is it a unique property – should not be too difficult in this case. Is it self-created? Well maybe because you knew it was a single family when you bought it, but then reasonable rate of return for the property that is another item we need to see. Again if it is a unique property that cannot be converted back to a two that would help. The issue is if vote on it and close the door it would be difficult for you to come back.
Mr. Darrow: Here is a questionnaire that we basically ask ourselves what is fulfilled for a use variance, so perhaps what would be in the best interest is if you asked to table it and answer those questions properly because that is what we have to look at by law to grant this variance.
Mr. Rejman: That would also give Mr. Darrow time to get a copy of the application, if the board feels inclined to do so and if Codes wouldn’t mind helping to take a look and give us your professional opinion on whether or not can it be done.
Mr. Darrow: Does that help you at all?
Mr. Major: I can work through this.
Mr. Rejman: If it is low bearing walls and you really can’t do it
Mr. Westlake: We really didn’t have much information to go on, he was asked twice if he could get a ball park estimate to convert it to a two family and to find a contractor that would give you a letterhead that tells what it would cost or if it is cost prohibitive to make into a two family.
Mr. Darrow: So if you would like to ask to table to answer those questions
Mr. Rejman: This would be the final table.
Ms. Marteney: What kind of utilities are there?
Mr. Major: Each apartment has its own electrical utility. It use to have the old radiators, the guy took them out, so I had all the apartments replaced with water base heat. Each apartment has its own electrical meter. I had to do some upgrade.
Ms. Marteney: Before you bought it – it had separate electric?
Mr. Major: Yes, they always had their own electric meter.
Ms. Marteney: Water meters?
Mr. Major: Water meter all on one.
Ms. Marteney: Don’t have separate water meters?
Mr. Major: No. Previous owner paid for the water and heat because it was all on one system. I did it because I didn’t want to be in violation, I did have an electrician come up and up grade the electrical boxes and then I replaced the heating system so I won’t have frozen pipes because when I bought it last year the main pipe broke.
Mr. Rejman: Here is what I would like to do. I think I would like the secretary to poll the members, so please say whether you would like to have it tabled for additional information or vote on it tonight and we will take the majority opinion of what to do.
Ms. Marteney: What additional information?
Mr. Rejman: Are you comfortable tonight voting on this?
Ms. Marteney: No.
VOTING TO TABLE: Ms. Marteney, Mr. Darrow, Ms. Brower, Mr. Westlake, Ms. Aubin, Mr. Rejman
Mr. Rejman: OK, what information are we requesting?
Mr. Darrow: I gave him the entire work sheet for a use variance.
Mr. Rejman: Very good. I would like to see some dollars and cents estimates. They can be yours but it would be nice to have another professional involved and Codes would you offer a hand that would be helpful too.
Mr. Hicks: I will do that.
Mr. Rejman: And we will try this one more time next month.
Mr. Darrow: We are trying to help you, but you have to help us too.
Mr. Major: Ok, no problem. I apologize
Mr. Rejman: We are getting there
Mr. Major: I thought the diagrams, the dimensions of the rooms, I thought because of the lay out, open up walls and reconstruct the whole design, I thought
Mr. Darrow: That is part of the hardship, make sure there is a hardship and you have to prove it.
Mr. Rejman: Hardship, dollars and cents.
Mr. Major: When I think of hardship, I am thinking like my income and stuff like that.
Ms. Marteney: How are decision will impact your income.
Mr. Rejman: Can the property generate enough income to support itself.
Mr. Major: OK.
Ms. Marteney: Or costs of making it something going to impact it.
Mr. Major: OK, I will do that. I am sorry.
Ms. Brower: Figures in writing will be much better. Are you renting any of the units at all?
Mr. Major: No. I need to get a CO. I have Code Enforcement coming back January 6th to look at it. It is hard to do anything because I don’t know where I stand. I don’t want to do too much and then you have to tear something down. I did too much already, I had the electric and water hooked up.
Ms. Brower: Every thing you are doing you are going in the direction that you want to go in any way.
Mr. Major: Right.
Mr. Darrow: He has to have a CO before he can rent it.
Ms. Brower: As soon as he gets that he can get going.
Mr. Westlake: We already gave him a variance for the two, can he rent the two now?
Mr. Hicks: Yes, but he needs a CO.
Mr. Westlake: Right, once he gets his CO.
Mr. Hicks: If he were to go through with the plan for the original accepted two units we would give him a CO when both units are completely finished because it is not owner occupied. His plan now is to be three units, so our concern will be the vacant part which we need to have a deadline for when that will become habitable and a CO will be issued on that. In that case it will make the two unit null and void because you need to have a full CO on all three. If it goes through.
Mr. Rejman: Oh, ok.
Mr. Westlake: So in other words if you give him a CO for the two he can’t rent the two right now even though he doesn’t have the other one finished and then come for a different variance after that.
Mr. Hicks: Depending on where we are at, because the CO for the two would incorporate the whole structure.
Ms. Marteney: The wood side and the brick, the brick side is two.
Ms. Brower: How does that figure into the hardship because we need figures that would speak to being able to rent two spaces and how that covers the costs and so forth. Don’t we want to see that as part of the picture because that helps us to know
Mr. Darrow: Part of the financial hardship
Ms. Brower: Whether the third apartment
Mr. Darrow: And he is renting it out as a two unit and he is losing money per month as opposed to having it as a three and also you have to look at the costs that it would take you to make it habitable two unit, what costs you incur. So that if those costs exceed a reasonable amount that you be detrimental to your return, then you have that argument as hardship.
Ms. Brower: He has a hardship already, the heating system
Mr. Darrow: Hardship has to be on paper, has to be black and white and it can’t be self-created.
Ms. Brower: Right, we need the figures
Mr. Darrow: Being that the unit was bought knowing that it lost its confirming use and was one unit it borders on whether it is a self-created hardship.
Mr. Major: Can I ask Mr. Hicks a question, I mean, say it just stays as a two unit what do I do with the third unit, like the wooden side. Would I be able to use that for any thing, some one could never go in there, what do you do with that third unit?
Mr. Darrow: Make it part of the downstairs apartment.
Ms. Hussey: The brick is one unit, the brick structure is one unit and the wooden structure is your second unit. We will have to go back and verify on the original use variance, let me talk to Brian and we will get that information for you.
Mr. Major: Ok. Thank you.
280-284 Seymour Street, R1A, use variance to convert three units on the property. It was formerly a four unit in an R2 zone. The property lots its non-conforming status because the units were vacant in excess of 1 year and applicant wishes to restore the premises to three units. Area variance of 902 square feet for three units on one lot and possible area variance for parking buffers.
Mr. Rejman: 280-284 Seymour Street.
Mrs. Hoffmann: I have some additional information that I found on my desk today. (Passes out to board members).
Mr. Rejman: Ok. State your name for the record.
Mr. Juhl: Hi, my name is John Juhl.
Mr. Rejman: Tell us what the issue is here.
Mr. Juhl: I purchased the houses on Seymour Street on the 15th of October and left the basically the lawyer’s offices up here to come here to get a permit to go down and start working on it. I had my guys scheduled, I own a construction business, I had my guys scheduled to start work there that day. I realized when I came to get the permit I couldn’t do anything until I came here. I just hauled all the debris out of there and cleaned the yard and stuff and kind of been on hold until I could come in front of the board to see if I could get the variance.
Mr. Rejman: Tell me about the way it was purchased. Was it purchased from an individual, real estate or
Mr. Juhl: I bought it through real estate, the bank owned it they foreclosed on it.
Mr. Rejman: Bank foreclosure. Was it a HUD home?
Mr. Juhl: No.
Mr. Rejman: All right.
Mr. Juhl: Basically drove by one day, saw a For Sale sign, I was talking to my wife about getting a couple apartment houses going to get my son who is going to be turning 16 and I wanted to try and get him started in this.
Mr. Rejman: And the real estate agent led you believe that there were two – two family units there. Is that what happened?
Mr. Juhl: I looked at the two houses, I said well the back one when I bought it I didn’t look at it like real thoroughly, I just walked through. They were reasonably priced so I didn’t really focus on that all that much. I was going to originally tear the back house down, I said I probably just tear that one down but then after I went there after I purchased them I went down there and I looked through and it is in a lot better shape than I thought. It would probably cost me $20,000 to tear it down all the way, I put the same $20,000 into it, I could recoup my money over time instead of just wasting the money basically. When I came to get the permit to start working on them and realized that I couldn’t so. I have never done any of this before so Brian has kind of helped me
through it.
Mr. Rejman: And you closing lawyer didn’t mention at all that what the zoning was on the house?
Mr. Juhl: No. I never knew until that day even though I do construction I don’t do rental properties or anything like that for any body that there was law that any place that was vacant over six months goes back to its original status, I didn’t know that and here I am.
Mr. Rejman: OK. Questions?
Mr. Darrow: The biggest question I have is we have no hardship papers in front of us. That is my biggest stumbling block. Mr. Juhl says it will be $20,000 to tear down the back house, pay tipping fees. We don’t have any of that on paper from any body, not even on his own letterhead.
Mr. Juhl: I just wrote on there, I thought that is what was wanted.
Mr. Darrow: What that is based on – just a ball part figure.
Mr. Rejman: You know what I would also like for the record, who was your closing attorney?
Mr. Juhl: Howard Clark.
Mr. Rejman: This whole real estate and attorney thing in Auburn has to stop. The buyers have to know what you are buying.
Mr. Darrow: Too many homes are misrepresented.
Ms. Hussey: That is a question of disclosure by the real estate agent. It is not the responsibility of the lawyer.
Mr. Rejman: Why not, you are paying a lawyer to represent you at the closing and one of the questions should be is this a legal two family?
Ms. Hussey: That is not exactly the role. The real estate broker has the obligation to disclose the zoning conditions when you purchase the property, the zoning is listed on there.
Mr. Westlake: What did the bank finance, did they finance two single-family houses?
Mr. Rejman: No, this is a cash deal.
Mr. Juhl: I paid cash. It was originally two units in the front and two units in the rear. I figured I would be asking a lot to do that so I figured it would be easier if I could at least make it a single family so I don’t lose the total income from the house because it is not like they don’t need work, I mean when I got it, the pipes were broken, the basement was full of water, I hauled probably ten loads of debris out of there and cut down brush.
Ms. Marteney: You paid $6,000 for each of the houses?
Mr. Juhl: Right. But it is not like they don’t need, I mean all the windows were gone, taken right out, roof and sheet rock, but that is what I do, so for me to go there with my guys, like I said to my wife, during the winter time, my work slows down, but if we buy it some property, I can work with my guys, clean it all up. I bought Workingman’s Gas Station in April and I don’t know if you have been by there recently, but since I bought it I painted inside and outside, built walls, took down trees, cleaned the whole place up in my spare time after work. Even 280-284 Seymour the place that I bought I totally cleaned that whole area.
Mr. Darrow: Mr. Juhl let me ask you a question. You paid $12,000, present market value is $48,500, is that what the Assessor’s Office has on it?
Mr. Juhl: Yes.
Mr. Darrow: Ok. It clearly is not worth $48,500.
Mr. Juhl: No. Definitely not.
Mr. Darrow: That would be another good item to have for your argument of hardship, what the actual value is of those two houses right now because I am not an appraiser but just doing our drive by inspections I say it is far to say it is not worth what the City Assessment has on it. That would be something else good because when you see $12,000 paid and market value $48,500, you could say you can turn it around tomorrow and make a reasonable return on it, which probably is not the case.
Mr. Westlake: Is this another application for parking?
Mr. Rejman: Have to have an area variance for the parking and use variance for the units.
Mr. Westlake: I need more information before I would be comfortable to vote, I know that.
Mr. Rejman: Do you have another copy of that do you?
Mr. Darrow: What, here is a use and area.
Mr. Rejman: I think what I am hearing, not to have a big agenda next month, but it looks like we would like to have additional information. A copy of the Purchase Offer would be nice to see.
Mr. Darrow: Appraisal of the property and what it would be to tear down the back property and returns on the ones
Mr. Rejman: Need the dollars and cents.
Mr. Darrow: Where you are not getting substantial or equitable return on your investment as a two family or perhaps it might not even turn a profit as a two family after money invested to bring it up and remodel, where you need it as a three unit to see any sort of return. That is the direction you need to go in, go down the work sheet. That is what we look at, that is every question we ask ourselves has that been answered. That sort of gives you a little insight to what questions we need answered.
Mr. Juhl: As far as the front house goes, can I work on that and get that ready? I have already lost two months. This is the time I can make this happen, I know that is not your problem but for me by the time this is all straighten around it is going to be spring and I am going to be sitting on it for another year.
Mr. Darrow: Can he get a temporary building permit?
Mr. Hicks: No. The issue at hand is that he wants to start work. The main thing is we have a single home, two structures on one lot. He can’t start anything until some decision is made and then the plan goes from there.
Mr. Darrow: Even though something was to go array, that house would be the one to be raised, so therefore he is looking for two units in the front and one in the back?
Mr. Hicks: Correct.
Mr. Darrow: So he wouldn’t be able, is two units in the front allowable on that property where it is R-1, he is allowed two units?
Mr. Hicks: No.
Mr. Darrow: No?
Mr. Hicks: That is why I say that decision has to be made now. R-1A allows single family semi-detached, meaning two houses that share a property line.
Mr. Darrow: Ok.
Ms. Brower: The front house is it a single family and you want to work on it as a two unit?
Mr. Juhl: It basically already is a two unit, has been a two unit.
Ms. Brower: That’s right.
Mr. Juhl: I went as far as I bought all the replacement windows. The day that I came here to get the permit, I all ready had the windows sitting there waiting, I was thinking in a month I was going to be renting these places. I have six guys that work full time, I mean here I thought I was going to boom, boom, boom and now I have just been waiting. I was going to come last month, but I didn’t realize I had to have the paper work in on the 8th to be here on the 29th, so I come in on the 29th and was told I had to turn the paper work on the 8th, so now I have to wait another month.
Mr. Rejman: We will table for next month bring us more information.
Mr. Juhl: The back house was originally a double, right Brian as it was built?
Mr. Hicks: As it was built it was a double.
Mr. Juhl: So if that was the case, I would be better off tearing down the front house and leaving the back a double.
Mr. Hicks: Still going to have to go through the same process due to the fact it has been condemned over a two year period.
Mr. Rejman: It may carry more weight in the eyes of the board that it was a structure built as a double, hard to speak for them.
Mr. Juhl: I don’t want to throw good money after bad. I mean that is the bottom line. Worse case scenario I would leave it like it is and that would be the end of that. $20,000 I have invested would be it, before I put $70,000 into the house and it isn’t going to be worth $50,000 on Seymour Street, that is the bottom line.
Mr. Rejman: Talk it over with Code, there are good people there, they will give you some ideas, and help you along.
Mr. Juhl: You meet only every 30 days right?
Mr. Rejman: Yes.
Mr. Juhl: OK. Thanks.
Mr. Rejman: OK. Vote to table.
VOTING TO TABLE: Ms. Marteney, Mr. Darrow, Ms. Brower, Mr. Westlake, Ms. Aubin, Mr. Rejman.
Mr. Rejman: Application has been tabled to next month.
Meeting adjourned at 8:00 p.m.
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